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r/Schizoid, u/White_Wolf_11
To subject someone to a romantic relationship with me would be immoral.
Takes on the SzPD + AvPD diagnosis
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r/Schizoid, u/UtahJohnnyMontana
My completely amateur take is that schizoid is avoidance squared. It is avoidance of avoidance. It is uncomfortable feeling all those things that cause avoidance. Why avoid the things that cause uncomfortable feelings when you can avoid feeling anything at all? And then the veil comes down and you are schizoid. It seems like this happens early for some, late for others, and sometimes not at all, but if you look back far enough, there was usually a time when a schizoid was a pretty sensitive and avoidant looking person.
u/PjeseQ
Didn’t pursue official diagnosis, but it’s quite probable that I used to be avoidant in my teens vs schizoid now. As far as I can remember, avoidant traits were much worse to deal with. It’s much easier to be just indifferent towards interpersonal contact rather than anxious about it.
There is also this conspiracy theory circling around that a burned out AvPD turns into SPD eventually. I think it might be true to some extent.
The Suffering of the Everyday Banalities of Life
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I don’t want to play the game of life
The most frustrating part is that there doesn’t really seem to be a real solution for this problem because every piece of advice people usually give is like, self-contained within the parameters of life if that makes sense, like every piece of advice people give still involves having to participate in life. Read the full page
u/defectivedisabled, r/Pessimism
Suffering when seen as a metaphysical force is just like a perpetual machine. It runs on the fuel that is suffering and generates suffering as the byproduct, which it then uses to fuel itself further and continue the cycle. There maybe some peak and trough in the amount of suffering but suffering can never be fully eradicated. Suffering is self sustaining and is basically like a pantheist “God”. We are all part of it and it and it only exists through our suffering. Suffering is the essence of life, it is the reason for everything we do what we do. Suffering makes us perform actions to relief itself but would then create new forms of suffering as a result. A lion kills and eat a zebra so it may stay alive and procreate to further perpetuate this cycle in an ever increasing scale until the zebra population collapses and the lion population collapses as well. This cycle would then start afresh, it is an endless cycle with no end in sight.
We are all parts that made up of this “God” and it is our suffering that gives “life” to it. What this means for we is that we are created to suffer and perpetuate suffering. All for the manifestation of this “God” into the world. You can only do what is allowed within the limits of being a cog in this ungodly machine and any attempts to fight against the will of this “God” is futile. An end to this metaphysical force is nothing to grieve for indeed.
r/Schizoid, u/Alarmed_Painting_240
need to wipe, destroy, and start over.
That sort of opposition to being or becoming anything, especially in a social or self-image way, seems to me almost the essential schizoid trait. Sometimes it starts early, sometimes it develops slowly over time. Online or real life contacts, they might end up with similar fates. The moment we decide that it’s not who we are. But it’s not like we know what else we’d be. Not that, I suppose. Or strong associations with negative stuff occurs, like a bad smell.
It can be kind of interesting to see this opposition in so many ways looking back. Not always in obvious ways. It’s not like schizoids only find themselves to be empty or (desiring) nothing, it can be just as well the active undoing of whatever is forming. To start existing even in the most superfluous ways, becomes terrible, boring or just too fake.
SzPD – Playing life in hard mode
Reply to “Why is being schizoid bad?”:
r/Schizoid, u/melonpathy
I think being schizoid is like playing life in hard mode. You don’t belong but you have to play along. It’s tiresome to have to just observe human life, not being able to really participate, it’s like being forced to watch someone eat a delicious looking cake and not getting to taste it, ever. And despite not maybe always feeling like it, schizoids are human too. Humans are hard-wired to be social animals, it is in our genetics. Whether you enjoy socializing or not, it is good for your cognitive and even physical health.
And emotions are what motivates all action, whether you realize it or not. That’s the very purpose why we evolved to have emotions, to motivate us so we would survive. Avolition and anhedonia are destructive, they are a disturbance in the human drive to do things that are important, basically they hinder your ability to lead a good life. You also need motivation to do stuff like graduate and hold a job, which are needed for getting money, without which you cannot get insurances or anything else. Schizoids have the lowest life success rate of all personality disorders.
But of course some are more high functioning than others, basically some people here have the disorder and some have the personality type, I think. You have a personality disorder only when it causes suffering for you. If someone doesn’t mind their schizoid traits and they are able to function fairly well then it’s not a personality disorder but a personality style, and I’m speaking of the former here.
r/Schizoid, u/Concrete_Grapes
Schizoids are somewhat in a unique place as far as personality disorders go. We are inward facing, self-validating, self-reliant (on thinking through things, not always financially or housing), etc.
So, we frame the world, usually, as if everyone else is or should be this as well. To us, this is ’the norm’—and we literally cannot gain something good, or new, from interactions. We don’t need to interact with someone to validate an experience, or ’move on’ from some emotional attachment or slight.
However, normal people do not exist like this at all. Ever. Not even a little. Not for even a handful of minutes a year.
They are always outward facing in searching for validation. They feel they have no value, unless it’s measured by, or against someone else. Their emotions literally exist only as a function of social validation, or as an attachment to others. If they are mad, they are mad at someone. If they’re sad, they need to process it with others, and reference stability and coping mechanism off the ’other’… they cannot do this on their own.
That’s why virtually everyone that goes to therapy, goes to deal with their emotions, and the severe control emotions have over their actions.
That’s why a schizoid often gets nothing from most therapists, it’s not emotions for us, we’re stuck internally, conscious, and intellectualizing emotions away if they do happen, or forcing them to appear when we lack them. Hyper-aware of this, usually.
Other. People. Never. Do.
So they’re reaching out to process and connect—they’re unfulfilled, or some door isn’t closed, and they feel an internal emotional sense that they ’must’—some how, reference off you to complete the task.
To you, that’s nonsense.
I mean, I’m saying it in an extreme way, and one can argue it’s not always like this—and it’s not.
But go read what ’mindfulness’ is—the thing where people struggle to do it even a few minutes a day, after months of trying, on purpose, and tell me—if, to you, that sounds like horse shit, because it’s describing a state you’re in 99 percent of the time as default.
That’s what I mean.
God handed me the fruits of his creation, then took my taste.
Reddit, u/Illustrious-Back-944 talking about anhedonia
Can a pessimist have hope?
r/Pessimism, u/ajaxinsanity
Hope is expectation coupled with fear that something will not work out. As such it is almost the opposite of pessimism. Pessimism is about abandoning hope and expecting the worst, which is often closer to the truth.
Hopium is very bad for you in general because it’s unstable, depends on imagination and ambition, therefore making you anxious. Be realistic and apply reason, not hope.
r/Pessimism, u/SIGPrime
The risks we take during life to ultimately not suffer are due to the original imposition done upon us in birth. Whoever you want to blame, be it your parents, ancestors, or god, someone created you into a life where you must impose to limit suffering.
I suppose one could argue that being a parent could also be necessary to achieve happiness in many cases, but this is a Ponzi scheme sort of arrangement.
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Do you think schizoid can be “fixed”?
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Treading water
u/Critical-Sense-1539, r/Pessimism
I get a similar sentiment whenever I come across popular “self-improvement” content. I’ve never bought any promises that I could ever better my life or progress in any real sense, for no matter what I achieve, I will always be striving. I don’t get inspired whenever I see someone struggle really hard for wealth, influence, a big muscly body, a romantic relationship, or some other insipid marker of success.
I see a futility in these attmepts to attain “fulfilment” or the “good life”, a bit like the futility of treading water. You swing your arms and kick your legs to stay afloat, just so you’re able to breathe for a moment longer. However, no matter how hard you try, you’re not going to get out of the water. You’re always sinking so to stay above water, you have to expend effort over and over and over again until you’ve got none left to expend.
I see all pursuits for fulfilment in this sort of image; we are always lacking something. Living to try and satisfy all your desires is a game that you can only ever lose because for every desire that one satisfies, another shall show up in its place. Now, realizing this probably won’t fix the pain associated with not achieving your desires but it might help alleviate feelings of self-hatred or guilt for having a “bad life”. After all, there’s no need to feel bad about yourself for losing a game that was impossible to win all along.
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Have you ever had a crushingly agonizing crush?
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Most people accept work and take it for granted, like the air we breath
Just try it. Say «All work sucks» to someone. See how people contort themselves philosophically to defend this “striving” belief system. Read the full page
On defeatism
r/Pessimism, u/defectivedisabled
Defeatism is just a term society use to gaslight people into conforming with social expectations. You could very well be considered a defeatist in a capitalist society by embracing minimalism. There is no such thing as a defeatist in absolute terms. This term solely exist to shame and guilt trap people to fall in line with what is expected of them. It is also a relativistic term that requires a specific setting for the term to have a meaning. You might be considered a defeatist in capitalistic society by giving up on the rat race and becoming a minimalist. But on the other hand, you are an “optimist” within the minimalist community.
There is no such thing as “give up”. Even embracing nothingness requires effort. Activities that induces a sense of liberation such as meditation actually requires putting effort to work. Therefore, it is nothing but gaslighting to say one is a defeatist when one decide to go on a path of liberation rather than participate in the rat race. The word defeatism is designed to keep people trapped in a cycle of endless suffering. It is done by holding onto the idea that there is some kind of reward waiting for them at the end when they eventually “win” at whatever they are doing.
Applying “that’s subjective tho” to that rings very, very hollow. To criticise them, you have to take the claims apart; […] Read the full page
We are daily slaves to the mitigation of suffering
What can even be done? Happy or sad, you still need to eat, you’re still aging, and you’re still going to die. Read the full page
r/Pessimism, u/Robotoro23
This is how people today justify suffering of people when industrial revolution began, “it was worth it because we now have a fridge, medicine and technology.
This is how now people are justifying suffering of people today, “it’s worth it because we will reduce even more suffering with additional technology
The problem with that line of thought is that it presupposes an end to our misery, that technology will bring salvation and create Utopia.
What those same people don’t get is that suffering is fundamentally ontological to humans and everything around us.
Hypothetically even if we managed to cure every disease, every mental health ’problem’, everything being automated, upload our consciousness to machines etc…
After all of that, the questions people very like to ignore is this: what after that?
A sterilized society devoid of pain will only bring boredom and boredom eventually turns into suffering and we are back to square one: how to reach salvation of existence?
Volunteering is the way, kek. Read the full page
Why is living a constant torture?
Rant on Reddit, with good comments. Read the full page
r/Pessimism, u/Robotoro23
People ultimately read books, play video games, watch fiction etc… Because they suffer. They engross themselves as a fictional spectator to forget about their personal life predicament thus unawarely denying Will to Life and affirming non existence periodically to lessen their suffering.
r/Pessimism, u/HumanAfterAll777
I think striving for happiness is like chasing the dragon
[…] When I was truly happy was when I was a child. When I was ignorant of the world and what horrors it contained. Something you can never go back to. […]
r/Pessimism, u/GloomInstance
There’s a moment when the intelligent empath, perhaps born with a melancholic bent, realises they are stuck in a kind of mortal reality show of endless suffering.
They look out at the sunset over a peaceful lake, only to see a pelican swoop down and grab up a fish, swallowing the fish whole as it visibly flaps around, trying to resist its awful fate.
Then the thinking empath reflects on how cruel and unfair the natural state of things is, and that they themselves are stuck inside the cruelty fishbowl and will most likely suffer their own grizzly decline.
I remember as a child of eight or nine years old, sitting in the bathtub weeping at how much suffering the world contains, and how little protection against it we have. It must have been when my first grasp on death and the nature of things occurred.
r/Pessimism, u/scorqio
One must know that things also become dull. Stale.
What i think will make me happy today, may not have that same impact next week.
r/SuicideWatch, u/braujo
[…] The reason you’re unhappy isn’t a lack of working on yourself, that’s something people tell you on Reddit to feel better about themselves. Plenty of fat ass motherfuckers are out there living their best lives, there are monsters that get married and built a beautiful family, ugly guys that get laid every day…
Working on yourself is great if that’s what you want, but do not fool yourself. The reason our lives suck isn’t superficial, self-help bs. It’s something deeply wrong in our brains.
u/WanderingUrist
I’m unclear as to why self-worth is necessary or meaningful. If you need to engage in self-delusion to delude yourself into believing in another delusion, you are probably better off with just dropping all of it.
William Shatner: my trip to space filled me with “overwhelming sadness”
William Shatner (Captain Kirk in Star Trek), after his trip in Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle on Oct. 13, 2021. Continue reading
Why I don’t kill myself: an essay about beliefs
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An idea about why most people are so irrational
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Underestimating Suffering & Suicide Thresholds
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Psychiatry is a pseudoscience (a collection of posts from Reddit)
Disorders are not included within the DSM based on any objective evidence, and are always a reflection of the normative biases of the society. For example, homosexuality was in the DSM until the 1970s, but neither its inclusion nor its removal were based on any kind of objective evidence. Read the full page
r/Pessimism, u/CardinallyConsidered
Too much ignorance, and we have absolutely no respect for the potential for suffering that exists here. We are far more likely to shoot ourselves in the foot (so to speak), cause others as well as ourselves more pain than we ever thought possible, only to eventually decay and die.
Too little ignorance, and you become completely frozen by fear. You fully recognize the fragility of your body, the consciousness resting in it, and the fragility of all individual life forms.
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A certain level of solipsism is required for a decent quality of life. A certain level of ignorance and delusion are required for a decent quality of life.
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The sweet-spot of delusion. That’s where it’s at.
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Meditation has helped me in very gradually lifting the veil of safety/security. And then psychedelics rip the veil off of your face all at once and it’s just WAY too much. We are biologically programmed to be reproducing machines, and there are many mechanisms in place that keep us from completely losing our very complex human minds.
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r/Pessimism, u/Madular
Also a lot of people will tell you to just fake it/force it and it will became real, which is bs. The only real thing that can help is to find what you are good at, and what you enjoy and follow that path.
But finding what you are good/enjoy is another challenge in of itself.
I envy people who commit suicide
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r/IAmA, u/BetterAlone
I am a guy with “covert” Schizoid Personality Disorder. That is, I don’t give a damn about people and prefer to stay alone and self-sufficient but I fake extroversion to get by.
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Problem is, I also like to accomplish stuff (entirely for my own sense of internal satisfaction) and I need other people to do that. So I fake extroversion and interest in other people even if I don’t give a fuck. This actually exacerbates my pre-existing sense of existential isolation, since it shows how easily people can be handled.
I have been defined as “bubbly” and “charismatic”. Absurd.
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deep down I actually feel a desperate need for love and friendship
Hahaha…oh, no you don’t, you only think you do. You’ll eventually just be disappointed/bored by it if you do find it, and discard it like every other social function you have encountered. I’m sure you have already tossed potential friendships away simply because you became uninterested after a few days/weeks, so you know what I mean.
What I think that people like us are actually feeling, is the hollowness of our egocentric fantasies which we wrap our minds in. Our ideal level of emotional interaction is so completely removed from reality that it is literally unobtainable. I think that intellectually we realize this, so it causes some angst, if only because we think that we will likely never be able to fulfill our fantasy.